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Jo

Well, welcome to the very first episode of Business and sequins podcast. Thank you so much for joining me, wherever you are in the world. Thank you so much for letting me be the hopefully, inspiration, motivation and noise in your ear for the next way while I'm hoping that I can help you with business health and wealth somewhere along the lines and give you a little bit of learning as we go through this journey of the podcast. So this very first episode, it just, gosh, it was just such a stopper for me, because I really didn't know what I wanted to do. And as a bit of a perfectionist, I wanted it to be absolutely perfect. And so for the life of me, I couldn't decide what I wanted to do on this first episode. So I hummed and harred and I hummed and harred. And then finally my husband, partner in crime, my wonderful husband kicked my butt said to me, hurry up and decide what you're going to do because you're holding up the whole process. So I thought about it. And I thought a great way to introduce myself to you the listeners so that you have a little bit of information about who I am, is to actually get somebody to interview me. And I thought there's nobody better than to do that. None other than the chief kicker himself. My lovely husband, Ambrose Blowfield. So Ambrose, welcome to the Business and Sequins podcast.

 

Ambrose

Thanks my love. It's an absolute privilege to be joining you live. I know, this is predominantly a women's only podcast. So I know this is hallowed ground. And I'm truly privileged to be part of this amazing Business and Sequins Podcast series.

 

Jo

Awesome. So thanks for joining me. So Ambrose, we're gonna do a bit of a different thing. Today, Ambrose is actually going to interview me, I think he's got a couple of tough questions to ask me. But I thought he could just interview me just a bit about business, a bit about health, a bit about wealth. And, yeah, just have a chat about how the whole podcast and the whole membership for Business and Sequins have come together. So Ambrose, I'll hand it over to you if you want to just tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. And I'll hand it over to you. 

 

Ambrose

Absolutely, Jo. So obviously, you can probably tell from accent already. I was born in the UK to British parents, raised in the UK and Switzerland. Then I did a bilingual international business degree that caused me to study in the UK as well as in France. Then I graduated and joined the global consumer goods giant Procter and Gamble, where they spent 1000s of 1000s of dollars in my learning and development, before seeing the light and traveling to New Zealand and falling in love with this amazing Kiwi. I've got in front of me right now, moving to Sydney for four years, and then coming back to New Zealand with a slight detour in between, with Jo to raise our children. And obviously, we've been in business for 17 years. So, Jo, that's enough about me, this is all about you. I know all of your podcasts are going to be about your guests, and I know you're very generous. So that's enough. That's enough generosity. So Jo Blowfield. 

 

Jo

Yes, Ambrose Blowfield. 

 

Ambrose

I guess what people would love to know is, you know, where are you born, where you raised? What sort of education did you go through?

 

Jo

So I was born and have a Taranaki, which is a small little town in New Zealand on the North Island of New Zealand. I was born from my father is Maori. My mother is Spanish. So I've got quite, you know, a unique sort of bloodline there, which has caused us to have such beautiful girls. And yeah, I am the only girl and a family with four brothers. staunchly multi-family as well, where I played rugby when I was younger rugby and netball, which was the great New Zealand sport. My family weren't. I grew up in one of the poorest suburbs in Taranaki, Marfell, so our street adventure streets, which I thought was just such an amazing Street to live on the word adventure in my street name. We lived in between two gangs. So we lived in between the Mongrel Mob and the parent and the black power. And I went to New Plymouth is one of New Plymouth poorest schools. But that school was small, but mighty, and it set me up with some great foundations. My parents have always had the most amazing values, which is hard work. So they installed that hard work into the five of us children and I'm thankful to them every day for the value of installing hard work.

 

Ambrose

Perfect. So, Jo, stepping out obviously you've now traveled the world from little old Marfell in New Plymouth Taranaki what caused you to have the vision me Was it as simple as being born and raised on adventure street gave you the adventure or was there something else that stimulated you broadening your mind and taking on the world?

 

Jo

Well, to be honest, I went to Marfelll and then after Marfell, at Marfell, I listen, I meet my most best friend in the world. Kelly Packer. So Kelly Packer if you happen to even listen to my podcast, this is a story all about you. My most favorite friend Kelly Parker, and in standard for back then I think that would be year six now. Kelly pack his parents moved across to the other side of town. And so Kelly Parker wasn't going to be going to the normal feeder school from my primary school, she was going to a private girls, Catholic girls school over on the other side of town. And I begged and I begged and I begged my parents to send me the Sacred Heart on the other side of town so that I could join Kelly Parker. And I don't know where my parents managed to find the money to send me but they did. And so they sent me to this beautiful Catholic school. And two weeks before school started, Kelly Parker's parents decided not to send her to that school.

 

Ambrose

Some best friend. I mean, we took up childhood primary school friends, so she dumped you, in your future is completely changed anyway?

 

Jo

Well, it did feel a bit like dumping me at the time. But I think my parents if they would let me go back to the feeder school that she was going back to and it was an absolute no. 

 

Ambrose

So when your parents I'm thankful. 

 

Jo

But one of the provisos too was that the school was 15 minutes from my house was that I biked every day to school, back and forth through rain, hail, or shine. So I was kind of, you know, a bit annoyed about the fact that Kelly wasn't going to be there, but also annoyed about the fact that I'd signed myself up to bike back and forth to school. But going to Sacred Heart, one of the things that I saw at the school was, I saw a lot of girls who had parents who were business owners, not only business owners, as well, I saw that they were Catholic, too. So they had really good values. But the biggest thing was business owners. So a lot of the girls had really nice cars, they had beautiful clothing, their parents were able to take time off and come to school to spend school with us to spend time on our swimming sports and spend time at school helping out. They always had money for the Tech Shop for a pile at the Tech Shop. So I always looked at them with I don't know, I guess you could say kind of a little bit of envy, and a little bit of wanting what they had. So from a very young age, I saw what it was like to own a business. So I think that kind of just logged into the back of my mind, and has been there since I was a child. 

 

Ambrose

So I love that. So you recognized obviously, the relative wealth that they had from business. And obviously, aside from the health that may not have come from the pies in the tuck shop. You obviously observed of that quite young. So Jo, what was your first exposure to I guess, a true family business?

 

Jo

Well, my true exposure to that was that I actually left school when I was 16. I had a terrible typing teacher who was absolutely mean to me. And I decided that I didn't want to put up with it anymore. So I asked again, I went to my parents who happened? Yeah, yeah. Again, I mean to my parents, I asked my parents if I could leave school. And they said, Yes, I could. But I had to find a full time job in two weeks. So I, my very first job that I had, I found a job in a fish and chip shop with town takeaways with a really lovely Chinese couple who had just come into the country and bought the business. The sign in the window said girl work. I went him and they couldn't speak English. I couldn't speak Chinese. And it started out that first night is a recipe for disaster. 

Ambrose

It sounds like it was I imagine? 

 

Jo

Yes, very much so very much so. But yeah, but nobody spoke English. And nobody's and I couldn't speak Chinese. And so I did that very first night. And the next morning, I begged my mom again, would she please not take me back I cried. And I cried and I cried. And I said to please just don't take me back. I can't understand what they're saying. It was horrible. And I remember my mom physically manhandling me into the car, putting me in the car, driving me to West town, kind of throwing me out on the side of the street and speeding off down the road. And I'm so thankful that she did because they became actually really good friends and I ended up taking them to buy a washing machine, I helped them navigate lots of different things in their business. And that kind of gave me a little view of a small family business. But a year later, I actually decided that I wanted a full-time job. So I applied to the local music shop Good Vibrations, where I found a lovely family who were Trisha and Leo, who owned the business. And then Rachel and Craig, who were their son and daughter, and they manage the business. So I went him full time as the kind of trainee and I, we turn and I learned the ropes, but I got to see what it was like to be part of a family who owned a business.

 

Ambrose

Fantastic Jo. So we seem to have a common theme here amongst your mom or dad. 

 

Jo

Help me out. 

 

Ambrose

Now, most people would say to grow up with four brothers in a poor neighbourhood, you said, We taught you would have taught you resilience. But it sounds as if you needed encouragement by a mom or dad to have the integrity that if you'd made a promise to go to a new school, commit to it if you made a promise to fish and chip shop at 16. To commit to it. So I guess what's your comment around resilience? You know, you talk about particularly business, your demands huge amounts of resilient male or female, young or old resilience is key. What's your perspective on resilience?

 

Jo

Well, I think that you can't be a business owner if you're not resilient. I think that's why so many businesses don't work actually. Because owning a business takes a special kind of human, the human that is able to pull out deep from within when the going gets tough, that is able to draw on all of the life experiences, is able to ask for help, and is able to actually make a change to be better. And I think that, yeah, being a business owner takes a huge amount of resilience. And I just really think that, yeah, I feel like over time, you know, I feel like I had a bit of resilience back then. But I feel like 17 years on a business now. I've got resilience, a bit more nailed.

 

Jo

Fantastic. So 17 years old. And we'll get to that in a moment. And we'll talk about Business and Sequins in a second. But I know you're a lifelong learner, Jo, you're committed and an avid learner constantly in those three spheres of business and wealth and health. In terms of mentors, I remember you said to me previously, that Trish is the business owner was a huge mentor or influence on your life. You know, that was kind of your first key learning in the world of business. What were some of the lessons you learned in that amazing family business?

 

Jo

Well, I'll never forget that they gave me a 30-day trial. And I was 17 years old. going out to meeting all of my friends. My friends were on the dole at the time. So they were getting government handouts. And I was earning kind of the same amount, but they were on the dole. So I was a little bit begrudging about that. But they also, yeah, I was having a great old time. And I got to my 28th day, I think it was and Trish marched me into her office, and she sat me down. And she said to me, basically, if you don't pull up your socks, we're not going to keep you. So we need to see that you really want this job. And if you want this job we need to see you work hard. And I just I remember thinking to myself, Oh my gosh, yeah, I have been a bit slack. I haven't really given it my all. And so I think it was for like two or three days straight. I cleaned that shop from top to bottom. I vacuumed I, you name it, I did it. I made coffees, I made teas, I made you, you name it. And I did it just to prove my worth. And then at the end of the week, because sheets actually lifted for a couple of days. And I kept thinking, am I or aren't I going to be kept and she lived it for a couple of days. And then at the end of the week, she actually called me into office again. And she just said to me, you know, how you've worked in this past week has been the employee that we want to keep? Why didn't you work like that for the first, you know, three weeks? And I just did try. I'm really sorry, I didn't know I didn't realize that that was actually what you were wanting me to do. But now I know you've given me boundaries. I can work within those boundaries. And I want to be the best employee that you've got. And so she just said to me straight there, and then you're hired full time now. Come on. And she was a tough boss. She was such a tough boss, but she just was tough. But she also had the most loving heart at the same time. And she really did mentor me through a lot of things. She was my very first business mentor. I look back now and I think, you know, her and her whole family were just such an amazing. It was such an amazing environment to be in. They accepted me. I worked up to being a manager and they bought another music shop and I went on and I manage that music shop. Rachel their daughter, Rachel was my I was her bridesmaid at her wedding, and she was my maid of honour at mine. So, you know, we're still really good friends. So, you know, it's kind of I've made loads of friends who have been lifelong, but the lessons that Trish gave me at 17 have lasted me forever.

 

Ambrose

Perfect, Jo. So I know, you know, your stories between then and now. You know, obviously for another podcast and another time, but to bring up the listeners up to speed. Jo moved on and stayed in the record industry in Christchurch, and then moved over to Australia, on the smell of an oily rag again, starting from scratch in Australia, winning prizes, a number of different businesses in the four years that we live together in Australia, before coming back to New Plymouth and Taranaki to raise her family. Now, Jo, if you want to give the listeners an insight into launching again into business for the first time, my recollection goes along these lines. We had our first child and New Plymouth opposite your mum or dad in back in adventure Street. So your life have come full circle, only now you're a mum, and several months into business, you raise the question to your husband, do you recall that question, Jo?

 

Jo

I can absolutely remember it. As I can remember that we've just driven into the driveway into the garage. And I remember getting out of the car in the garage and just saying to you. I'm a little bit bored. I think I'd like to start a business. And I remember you saying? I think that's a great idea. Now, I look back now, oh my gosh, she made a lady with a four-month-old baby start a business I think oh my gosh, that was wack. I was having a four-month-old baby wasn't enough. But, you know, we said on that idea. And we percolated that idea. And we Yeah, I think it was about four or five months later, we actually launched that very first business, which was Clarity, New Zealand, which the whole name clarity comes with a whole lab a big story about when my best friend and I had tried to New Zealand through summer. And I'll tell that story another day. But yeah, so yeah, we started that business Clarity. And we've been through so many ups and downs, we've had so many learning lessons from that business. I've grown so much. I can think of my person that started that business 17 years ago, compared to the person that I am now. And there's just I feel like there's just been such a mess of growth, not just in me physically. From enjoying good food and wine. You're welcome. But also to just mentally mindset wise as well. And yeah, I just think, gosh, we started off as Clarity and then we changed had to change the name because another lady in New Zealand had trademarked the name Clarity, so we had to change the name. So we then birth the name The Marketing Company, we actually have to buy themarketingcompany.com. And then four years ago, four or five years ago, we looked we birth the Sales Mastery Company because we realized that a lot of our clients didn't want to hire us for sales training, and use us for marketing as well because we were named The Marketing Company. And sales training is definitely Ambrose's passion. He's just a phenomenal sales trainer. So we kind of did the sale, the marketing, training and the sales training. And then yeah, we, it's just been a mess of journey the whole way.

 

Ambrose

Perfect. So Jo, obviously, 17 years in business, both The Marketing Company brand and the Sales Mastery Company brand, have gone global in both their righteous areas of marketing and sales training. And now your launch Business and Sequins. Now I'm just gonna focus on the podcast. I guess the first question is, as a woman, given that your audience is predominantly female, what's it taken for you to step out and say, now it's Joblowfield.com. Now it's Business and Sequins podcast, I'm going to own my space and do my own thing. And what's taken you to take those steps?

 

Jp

Well, it's, it's a little bit scary actually, to be. But if I'm really, really raw, and really, really honest, it's actually been a really scary process to go through. So, you know, we've had our businesses for 17 years now. For the first year in the business, I worked by myself, and then Ambrose joined me a year later that was our goal was that we've always wanted to hang out, we want to spend time together. So that's why we decided to go into business and, you know, we just worked so well as so well together as a team. And then COVID happened, you know, last year, and so that changed our whole business structure, we had to pivot our business quite substantially. And through pivoting the business, I learned I came into a group of women, which is the Tina Tower who Empire builders, and within that group, I learned how to launch businesses. online. And with that, I learned how I learned how to launch Ambrose online and then launch the business online. And I just saw all these other amazing women launching their own businesses, that it gave me the inspiration to think to myself, gosh, maybe with all of my business experience and my enthusiasm and love of wanting to cheer women on, maybe I could create some form of business out of it. So I attended the businesses sequence, not businesses, it was the hero Empire builders retreat over in Australia in June this year 2021. And I went over joined all of the amazing other business women from Australia at Tina's retreat. And while I was there, I kind of mulled over and got the idea of starting my own business. And starting, it was a lightbulb moment for me, actually, we were doing a finance section of the conference. And we were going through looking at our financials and planning ahead of what our financials are going to be over the next 12 months. And while I was planning those financials, I was thinking that the idea that I could have, as my business was, you know, a business I could make can create courses and things like that. And then I had a lightbulb moment where I realized that actually, what I really wanted to do in my heart was actually be a cheer squad for other women, and actually create some kind of membership. And of course, create the podcast as well. So, you know, it was kind of a bit hard, actually, because I've actually have a name for the business. And I felt like I felt a bit stuck, because I knew I wanted to do something, I just couldn't quite put a name on it.

 

Ambrose

Now I can testify for the listeners out there who aren't able to look down the audio form of this podcast. Jo, you are wearing sequins. So I have to ask you why Business and Sequence as a name?

 

Jo

Well, they are my two favorite things. I love business. But then I love fashion as well. And you know, when I've hit kind of the deepest, darkest times of my life, I found Trinny of London online. And she told me, she talked about sequins and about wearing sequins all the time. So I discovered sequins and I realized how much she always sequins give me to wear. And so since then I try and wear sequins every other day. I just feel like it brings me just so much joy. And I'm hoping that I can transfer that joy over to some of the women that are listening, or even some of the women that are joining the membership. Because to be in it, I just feel like it just gives me just such happiness. And I feel like your business really fills my tank sequins kind of gives me that extra little bit more.

 

Ambrose

Perfect. Well, as someone has been with you for over 20 years now I've definitely seen you wear a lot of sequins. Which segues us nicely into obviously, Joe, you're your mother of two daughters, both of whom competed at the World Championships in America for their chosen field of dance. Jo, I've seen you spend hours and hours long into the early morning sewing sequins. So how did you balance the century to international training businesses with motherhood of two high performing daughters? How was that possible? 

 

Jo

Yeah, that took a lot of long hours, a lot of long hours. Because not only did I do all of the practicing with them and stuff like that, but it also helped saw all of the costumes, so there was a lot of sequincing going on. I think that's probably where like the love of it might have even started. And I'm sorry to my daughter's because there were many times that I asked them to stand on the table so I could sew things and ended up sewing the costume along with their undergarments as well. Or sewing the costume to a pillow that I'd squished into pretend it was a body shape. Yeah, it was. It took a I, I spent a lot of time late at night and early in the morning, doing all of the mom things. So I did all the business things that I could during business hours. And then I was the actual proper mom that cooked for dinner and stuff like that. And then it was late at night that I became the dance mom where I sequined, I sewed. And I mean, our house was full of sequins, cover sequins, sequins cotton and a lot of, a lot of needles. 

 

Ambrose

Absolutely. I mean having been brought up with only one brother, I must say Jo, our house was a more sequined but be very pink with two dancing ballerinas and jazz dancers and hip hop as of the time. So Jo, let's get back to the podcast. So you've got three main arms to this business, wealth and health or business health and wealth. What made you choose those three pillars on which to build the brand and the business and the membership and the podcast?

 

Jo

When I look back on things about my time and business over the 17 years, those are kind of the three pillars that I wish I’ve nailed. And I feel like I'm still trying to get on top of now. So I feel like you know, your business is just such a mess of topic. And there are just so many different, different sections within the whole business. And also to health is something that I've become really, really focused on and looked at, you know, through COVID. Last year, I created what some people call a little side hustle. And that threw me into the whole health side of things, and just looking at oxidative stress and how I could hopefully get Ambrose and I to live to 104, or something like that live into our hundreds. I know. So just you know, aging well, is what I've been looking at within the health, and then wealth, I've always I just think, yeah, I came from a family who lived from paycheck to paycheck. And I just think to myself that, you know, if it was some of the things that I could have learned along the way, which, you know, just sped my whole learning process up, I would have been so thankful for it. So I just see it as those three pillars of the pillars to me that I wish I had nailed earlier. So I really want to be able to help women, either, you know, be inspired, motivated, or help towards

 

Ambrose

Perfect. So in terms of those themes, so how are you going to weave those into the podcast for upcoming episodes?

 

Jo

Well, I'm hoping to talk to different women, about those three different pillars. So the women that I interview will either fall into that whole business, health or wealth, a lot. I have to be honest to a lot of the women that I interview, or women that I've just talked to heard the life story, and just wanted to hear more. And, you know, even just a lovely woman that I've met in the weekend who is watching, you must be in their 70s. Do you think she's in her 70’s? 

 

Ambrose

I'd say 60s because I'm polite. 

 

Jo

60s or 70s. She's just the most gorgeous woman, absolutely most beautiful, gorgeous woman. And I asked her if I could interview her and her first reaction back to me was me. I'm really not that interesting. And I just said to her, Oh, my gosh, I find her fascinating. With you know, she has an open kitchen policy, she has hundreds of people go through her kitchen, she nonstop cooks. And I just said to her, you know, she also looks fantastic. His fashion sense is just brilliant. And I just thought to myself, you know, here's this woman, at this age, who doesn't think that her life is amazing. But somewhere, one of you listeners out there, if you hear her story might resonate with it. And so I really feel like I want to be able to tell those stories. So if they are across business, health and wealth, that's absolutely amazing. But if they're just you know, life stories, too, I want to be able to tell them,

 

Ambrose

I love that Jo. And one thing I've always admired and been an aura for the whole time I've known you know, it's over two decades, we're coming up to our 20th anniversary now, wedding wise, and is that you've really propped people up and giving people a platform to share and, and really develop their, their own self-belief. And it's been inspiring for me to watch them. So please, you're doing this now on a global platform, because you, you know, you've done it for me, you've done it for both girls, you've I've seen you to friends and family members and colleagues and clients. So the question I've got for you is, and turning to a bit of a sort of a fear one. Because obviously, it's scary being in business you talked about that is hard work for the podcast. And you know, what fears have you got and then afterwards, I'll ask you the positives of what dreams do you have, but I have to balance this obviously, it's an interview. So, you know, what are you most nervous about in having the Business and Sequence podcast?

 

Jo

Well, I guess my biggest fear is that no one's gonna listen to it. That's one of my absolute biggest fears. And another fear that I've got is that people won't like me. That is really, no, it is really kind of a gut wrenching thing that can also sometimes sort of make me want to stop doing what I'm doing. But that is a general fear is that you know what I'm saying to people, people won't like they won't want to hear it. And yeah, I think getting stalked on Instagram is another thing.

 

Ambrose

But I mean, thankfully, you've protected your eldest dancing daughter in the world of online bullying. So that's again for another day, and you did a phenomenal job of shooting people down and have them apologize publicly, which I thought was fantastic. So now you know, that's obviously a fear. I think those are very rational fears. Many people have the male or female. What about dreams? So what's your dream for this podcast? If this podcast was gonna go and, you know, change the world in some way? What would in what way would that be?

 

Jo

Oh my gosh, I've just you know, I've just been going through my dreams and goals. Actually. One of my biggest dreams is that in a year's time I want to give you, Ambrose the choice of whether or not you work and not the fact that you don't have to Anything like that, but I want you to be able to get up in the morning and choose if you work. So that is one of the big kind of motivators. For me, that's a dream that I could give you that. And then a goal. But I've got such huge goals for Business and Sequins. And I've teared them out and to that, yep, we've survived that go to the yet we've got this goal. today. Yep, we've nailed that goal. So I've kind of got three goals for this business. And one of the biggest motivating things too, is that you know, I want to give, I absolutely love being able to help people it is on my heart. And so that is one of the big things is being able to give so that I've got a goal of the amount of that I'd like to be able to give. And so that to me is I just find it so passionately, motivating, gosh, it's just, it really is a driver for me to be able to give and help.

 

Ambrose31:01

Now Jo was going to wrap up because we reached the end of the time, however, I do have to pick you up on that, because that's I know, it's so close to your heart, the whole drive to give you know, why is giving so much part of you both as a person as a mom, as a wife, as a business owner, you know, as a community member, you know, why does that drive you so much

 

Jo

I don’t know it’s just this overwhelming feeling, going to try not to cry, it's just it's just this overwhelming feeling inside me. And to give to somebody who's less fortunate to, you know, charities, to churches to all sorts of things, it's just an overwhelming feeling inside me is to give back and to be able to help. To help impact somebody is different. They live to make a difference to change the trajectory of where they're going. And yeah, I just feel so passionate about being able to give. So hints to why Business and Sequins is so passionate is such a big patient for me. Because I want to be able to make a difference in these women's lives I want to be able to cheer them on so that when they've got when they feel like they don't have cheerleaders in their life, I want them to be able to turn to me and I'm cheering them all the way. So yeah, I just I'm really excited to be able to give and help out.

 

Ambrose

I absolutely love that, that Jo and I know your share through your podcast and with your guests in the future. And I know the podcast will be incredibly giving in many, many ways. And you'll give when platform and confidence and self-worth and as you said cheerleading you know, you've seen it cheerlead ourselves as a family and others around us. I guess one final thought for me if I can ask, you know, this is your moment, you know, you're stepping out Business and Sequins podcasts, Business and sequins membership. What would you say to any woman out there who's hesitant to step out from someone else's shadow or to just step out from their own shadow? In some cases, you know, what encouragement would you give them?

 

JO

Oh, my gosh, the first thing I'd say is message me, I'll cheer you on besides me. The second thing is that I would just say is that I spent so many years with self-doubt. And the biggest thing that I want you to know is that we all go through self-doubt. But you can do this, you are so much stronger than you think you are. So just pull deep. You've got this, but find yourself a tribe, a cheer squad. So that in those moments when you are feeling down, you're not actually alone. And you've got people in your life to pick you up and say, you've got this. So that's kind of, yeah, my biggest advice is by just trusting yourself. Don't doubt yourself and find a cheer squad.

 

Ambrose

Jo, thank you so much. Once again, I have to say on behalf of the few men in the world that you'll ever cross paths with in Business and Sequins. It is a privilege. We will have some in I will have some you know, appreciate that. With some me. I appreciate that. Look, it's been a privilege to interview you. I know this podcast gonna do absolutely fantastic things right around the world, as with your membership and the given that you do, and I just can't wait to see the, the next steps. Jo Blowfield. Thank you so much for your time.

Jo

Oh, Ambrose, it's been a bit of a gem, thank you so much for interviewing me. Oh, my goodness. So this brings us to the end of the first episode of Business and Sequins. And again, I'm just so excited to have you here. I'm so excited that every second week, I can pop into your ears. I can maybe give you some good conversations and some unconscious learning. But I just want to say thank you so much for joining me and I look forward to talking to you more. Take care